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qaeda terrorist and innocent civilians. >> that is the defense of the obama administration today. in essence that this program is so targeted it saves civilian lives. what do you say to that in your case? >> well, i think it's very hard to assess that kind of claim without more information. information that the administration refuses to release. it's very easy for administration officials to make claims like this when there's no possibility that they're going to be held to account for the claims, no possibility that some court is going to order them to disclose information, no possibility that they'll be sksd foll -- asked follow-up questions. part of the reason we are in court asking judges to enforce the freedom of information act, asking judges to disclose more information is to allow the public to better assess the kinds of claims that the administration is now making, usually through unnamed officials in leaks to favored media. >> jodi, do you think this is the area where we've seen perhaps the most movement from candidate obama's commitments to president obama's tenure? >> y
qaeda terrorist and innocent civilians. >> that is the defense of the obama administration today. in essence that this program is so targeted it saves civilian lives. what do you say to that in your case? >> well, i think it's very hard to assess that kind of claim without more information. information that the administration refuses to release. it's very easy for administration officials to make claims like this when there's no possibility that they're going to be held to account...
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qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community, i think they failed in many ways, but with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related that created a mob that turned into a riot was far filled. and at the end of the day, we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system that we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations and you can say i don't want to give bad information. here's what i can tell you -- the american people got bad information on 16 september, they got bad information from president obama days after, and the question is, should they have been giving the information at all? if you can do nothing but give bad information, isn't it better to give no information at all? so my belief is, not only is the information bad and i'm more convinced than ever that it was bad, it was unjustified to give the scen
qaeda storm in the making. i'm very disappointed in our intelligence community, i think they failed in many ways, but with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related that created a mob that turned into a riot was far filled. and at the end of the day, we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system that we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push...
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ties to al qaeda were involved. and then yet, went on the sunday show and left a very different impression. let's not forget that on those sunday shows on "meet the press" as well as "face the nation" she also made the statement that al qaeda was decimated. and so it left a misleading impression to the american people. i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was wrong and that no one corrected it, including ambassador rice, even though she had left that impression on every single network, op every sunday show. that left me very concerned about that as well. >> did she say to you that she had reviewed intelligence specifically about benghazi, that had the additional information? she couldn't say so publicly. had she reviewed that intelligence? did she affirm that to you or are you assuming that she had? >> she did review it. >> so, in other words, she knew better than what you're saying that she knew better
ties to al qaeda were involved. and then yet, went on the sunday show and left a very different impression. let's not forget that on those sunday shows on "meet the press" as well as "face the nation" she also made the statement that al qaeda was decimated. and so it left a misleading impression to the american people. i was also troubled that they knew by the 21st the acting director of the cia said that the information about the reaction to the video and the protest was...
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he says rice denied al qaeda's lead role in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi that cost the lives of the ambassador and three others and she did so knowing it was true. well, the man who defeated mccain in the 2008 presidential campaign takes this as a personal shot at him. how will he respond? will he name ambassador rice his new secretary of state to replace hillary clinton? will he meet mccain's challenge head on and send rice up to the capitol to go face-to-face with the enly? tonight we study the battlefield and the fire power. mccain sure wants this fight, but do his fellow republicans? do they want an older white guy taking on the xre tense of a young woman of color, a rhodes scholar of solid reputation? most important what end does the president want for this match of fact and wits? i'm joined by michael o'hanlon of the brookings institution and jonathan lindie. michael, thank you for this. i want to get to the facts. am i right, is the main charge here coming from mccain and the others that ambassador rice knowingly covered up a n
he says rice denied al qaeda's lead role in the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi that cost the lives of the ambassador and three others and she did so knowing it was true. well, the man who defeated mccain in the 2008 presidential campaign takes this as a personal shot at him. how will he respond? will he name ambassador rice his new secretary of state to replace hillary clinton? will he meet mccain's challenge head on and send rice up to the capitol to go face-to-face with the enly?...
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. >> a lot of terrorists aren't al qaeda. when she said at the beginning that the key thing here is to the security failure in benghazi, she's correct. that's not susan rice's responsibility. that's the state department -- >> i know. >> susan rice is being asked to defend all kinds of stuff that's really the responsibility of the state department and the cia to explain right now. it was mainly a cia operation. >>> this afternoon in a cabinet meeting president obama answered a question from a reporter the heat, i was calling it the fried rice, the headline in the new york post, the fried rice from republicans on the hill. take a look at the president's way of handling this today. >> mr. president, do you think it's being fair to susan rice. >> thanks, guys. susan rice is extraordinary. couldn't be prouder of the job she's done at u.s. u.n. >> you saw hillary clinton leading the applause. really, you know, to be fair about it, the officer in charge was the state department and the cia. you're going to take the u.n. ambassador,
. >> a lot of terrorists aren't al qaeda. when she said at the beginning that the key thing here is to the security failure in benghazi, she's correct. that's not susan rice's responsibility. that's the state department -- >> i know. >> susan rice is being asked to defend all kinds of stuff that's really the responsibility of the state department and the cia to explain right now. it was mainly a cia operation. >>> this afternoon in a cabinet meeting president obama...
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the talking points originally linked the attack to al qaeda. when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, a decision was made to change al qaeda to extremists for intelligence and for legal reasons. you say you want an answer. that one has been answered in public. everybody knows. also, more questions. >> why were references to al qaeda left out? >> sir, we've known the answer to this one for nearly two whole weeks now. quote, a reason the references to al qaeda were deleted was that the information came from classified sources and the links were ten uous. john mccain going on national television as the point man for this supposed mass cover-up. he does not seem to be familiar with the basic details of the story that have been made public. the basic details of the story he is alleging was covered up. senator mccain outdid even himself when he offered this as his latest piece of smoking gun evidence that something is definitely rotten here. >> we knew within hours all the details when we got bin laden in the r
the talking points originally linked the attack to al qaeda. when the document was sent to the rest of the intelligence community for review, a decision was made to change al qaeda to extremists for intelligence and for legal reasons. you say you want an answer. that one has been answered in public. everybody knows. also, more questions. >> why were references to al qaeda left out? >> sir, we've known the answer to this one for nearly two whole weeks now. quote, a reason the...
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we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> is it your opinion, assessment, senator, that ambassador rice deliberately on that sunday morning misled the american public? >> well, certainly she misled the american public. i think that she would say that. she would have to say that because she began our meeting today admitting that representations about the video and the protests were wrong and the impression left with the american people was misleading. i don't know that i am in a position to question her motives but it's deeply troubling to me that someone of that important position would go on every major news network knowing that she had obviously previously reviewed other classified reports that left a different impression with the omission of the important reference to al qaeda. and also saying on those shows that al qaeda had been decimated. >> bottom line, senator, if the president nomina
we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> is it your opinion, assessment, senator, that ambassador rice deliberately on that sunday morning misled the american public? >> well, certainly she misled the american public. i think that she would say that. she would have to say that because she began our meeting today admitting that representations about the video and...
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for example, she also said al qaeda was decimated. that is pat. ly false. i asked why that statement should be made to the american people and she really had no good answer for it. there was lots of classified information that she gets briefed on that indicated this was not a hateful video that sparked a spontaneous democrat congratulation. i still don't understand why anyone who believe when you come with mortars and rocket propelled grenades how that could possibly be viewed as a spontaneous demonstration. there are a lot of layers to this. >>neil: we tried for ambassador rice and we got a statement from her office, saying we wish that we had perfect information days after the attack. the intelligence often, the assessment has evolved. >>guest: that is another big question, why would it have evolved? there were people who were survivors who were flown to germany who were interviewed by the f.b.i. they told, they said, absolutely, there was no demonstration. yet for a couple of weeks the intelligence community seemed to be wrestling with intelligence and o
for example, she also said al qaeda was decimated. that is pat. ly false. i asked why that statement should be made to the american people and she really had no good answer for it. there was lots of classified information that she gets briefed on that indicated this was not a hateful video that sparked a spontaneous democrat congratulation. i still don't understand why anyone who believe when you come with mortars and rocket propelled grenades how that could possibly be viewed as a spontaneous...
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dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime appointment. but the one thing we heard also from senator barrasso in the last hour was john considerry's name floated out and it would be easier for him to sail through. you had the opportunity to work with john kerry before. >> sure. >> when we hear about this, is that really what the game, as joy-ann said, this machiavellian game, basically let's get kerry in this position and then scott brown could take over his seat, run for that seat in massachusetts, we get scott brownbach in? >> this is a little delicate because i know so many people involved. this is what i'll te
dick cheney and condoleezza rice talked about links to al qaeda in iraq. you've never made up for those huge, serious, significant lies in the arena of foreign policy. and now you're picking apart, you know, basically the very early and ultimately not misleading with regard to foreign policy decisions, statements that this diplomat made. >> one thing we're learning right now the meeting with ambassador rice and senator corker is happening as we speak so a little earlier than that noontime...
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was al qaeda involved? as an example. >> general petraeus says so. >> as an example because these are people who admire al qaeda. but did al qaeda direct this? no. >> i admire the beatles, but when i play music, i'm not the beatles. >> you could be the fifth beatle like murray the kay. >> like the pete best of television. >> okay. let's leave it there. >> eyes are unflushing. >> absolutely right. >> john heilemann, do you have anything to say? >> well, she very purposely on those sunday shows was asked whether it was an act of terror. she would not use that language. very purposely on five different sunday shows. the administration was asked for nine days whether it was an act of terror. the administration, jay carney, the president, declined to call it an act of terror. he really did not. >> oh, my god, joe, seriously? >> and nine days later, it was an act of terror. >> we have a more important question to ask here, john. has the president invited you to go play golf? >> no. >> because you are just gobblin
was al qaeda involved? as an example. >> general petraeus says so. >> as an example because these are people who admire al qaeda. but did al qaeda direct this? no. >> i admire the beatles, but when i play music, i'm not the beatles. >> you could be the fifth beatle like murray the kay. >> like the pete best of television. >> okay. let's leave it there. >> eyes are unflushing. >> absolutely right. >> john heilemann, do you have anything to...
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this week apparently al qaeda was taken out. my belief is that the intel -- there was a mountain of intel to display the video characteristic. there was none that said this was a spontaneous event and the story created by ambassador rice and the president himself for seven days was far out of sync with the intell and it was a political smoke screen and not what happened to those four dead americans in benghazi and we will get to it like we got to the bottom of iran-contra. >> without question. gentlemen, thank you both very much. >> when we come back our powerhouse round table is ready to talk about the fiscal cliff and ben affleck coming up in 90 seconds. smith. all that begins in 90 seconds. companies used to view us as demographics. because they couldn't see what made people different. today, retailers from the us to japan are using analytics to find insight in social chatter, reviews and sales transactions. helping some companies increase online revenue up to 50% by offering customers an experience as unique as they are. tha
this week apparently al qaeda was taken out. my belief is that the intel -- there was a mountain of intel to display the video characteristic. there was none that said this was a spontaneous event and the story created by ambassador rice and the president himself for seven days was far out of sync with the intell and it was a political smoke screen and not what happened to those four dead americans in benghazi and we will get to it like we got to the bottom of iran-contra. >> without...
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we knew it was an attack, and we told her not to say because we didn't want al qaeda to know we knew it at that point. the real question is why is mccain making this attack and wasting whatever political capital and reputation he has left? >> reporter: well, some people are wondering does mccain want to simply stay in the spotlight? mccain is known for foreign policy. he's known for going on sunday shows. the benghazi issue gets him back in the spotlight. everyone is talking about john mccain again. so some people wonder if there's a little bit of political opportunism there. >> i want to go back to something krystal said a minute ago. closing ranks behind susan rice because much political battle lines in this. you made the point earlier if you just looked at this without regard to benghazi and said john mccain realistically speaking, who potentially could appoint secretary of state that would agree ideological with you. realistically susan rice is as good as he can do. the consensus in the democratic party is probably to the right of it. i wonder is there any push-back from the left
we knew it was an attack, and we told her not to say because we didn't want al qaeda to know we knew it at that point. the real question is why is mccain making this attack and wasting whatever political capital and reputation he has left? >> reporter: well, some people are wondering does mccain want to simply stay in the spotlight? mccain is known for foreign policy. he's known for going on sunday shows. the benghazi issue gets him back in the spotlight. everyone is talking about john...
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they are trying to say the president did want us to know how bad the threat from al qaeda was. the decision was made to modify those talking points because we didn't want the enemy to know what was going on, not because there was an attempt to mislead the american people. >> there is a report out that ambassador susan rice has a major financial stake in the pipeline. if she is nominated, i would assume this would be a problem in her confirmation hearings. let's say she is secretary of state. wouldn't this be a conflict of interest? >> it could be. that would be a valid question in the course of if she were put forward for nomination. let's take a step back. she has complied with, it is my understanding, all of the rules and regulations to her current position. if she were to be nominated for any additional position, obviously, there again, she would follow all of the rules and regulations, not just with regard to disclosure but dealing with this as a conflict of interest if that's what they thought it was. >> nbc news reporting that chuck hagel is being vetted for a possible po
they are trying to say the president did want us to know how bad the threat from al qaeda was. the decision was made to modify those talking points because we didn't want the enemy to know what was going on, not because there was an attempt to mislead the american people. >> there is a report out that ambassador susan rice has a major financial stake in the pipeline. if she is nominated, i would assume this would be a problem in her confirmation hearings. let's say she is secretary of...
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you were westerning that al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. >> it's off times, wolf, these talking points went to multiple agcies, probably a dozen agencies, and dozens of people touched them. nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them. it's sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble as far as i'm concerned. and the more frustrating thing to me, wolf, is the fact of what we're not talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what is lost in this is as you say, prior to this event, al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya, and why wasn't more security given to them at the u.s. consulate. the substance of this is lost in the debate about the talking points and that is the more important issue to me. guys, thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks. >> pleasure. >> rebel fighters in syria are claiming a major victory. they say they shot down three regime aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig fighter jet. if true, the regime may be taking hi
you were westerning that al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. >> it's off times, wolf, these talking points went to multiple agcies, probably a dozen agencies, and dozens of people touched them. nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them. it's sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble as far as i'm concerned. and the more frustrating thing to me, wolf, is the fact of what we're not talking about, while we...
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that we've basically decimated al qaeda, that it wasn't an organized terrorist attack, it was a spontaneous attack, and they say she emphasized more of the spontaneity of it and the relationship to that video coming out of los angeles and de-emphasized the role of organized terrorism here. is that a fair criticism or is that something that comes with the territory of speaking for the white house? >> i don't think it's fair. look, i'm on the intelligence committee, and there's a lot that we can't talk about that goes on there, but what is very clear is the intelligence community has said with great clarity and with unanimity that the talking points she used were the talking points provided to her by the intelligence committee of the united states, that they provided those talking points after consultation with all of the agencies, and they were the unclassified talking points which is precisely what any ambassador, any representative of the united states should use. not the classified talking points that might reveal things critically important to national security. >> two questions, can you
that we've basically decimated al qaeda, that it wasn't an organized terrorist attack, it was a spontaneous attack, and they say she emphasized more of the spontaneity of it and the relationship to that video coming out of los angeles and de-emphasized the role of organized terrorism here. is that a fair criticism or is that something that comes with the territory of speaking for the white house? >> i don't think it's fair. look, i'm on the intelligence committee, and there's a lot that...
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certain people without knowing exactly who they were, but we thought that is a signature of a known al-qaeda leader. then it morphed into unknown people and unknown possible militants there are guns down there. that's why we so often hit weddings because people in afghanistan and yemen bring guns to weddings and shoot them in celebration. then they say there is militant activity there they hit the wedding and many die. that is thoughtful, immoral and ridiculous. i'm not against all drone strikes. drone strikes can prevent full war instead. i'm not against that. but i'm against dumb, immoral counterproductive and lawless drone strikes. do you know not only do we do these signature strikes but we have executed u.s. citizens abroad with no trial whatsoever. that's not what this country is supposed to stand for. i'm not saying end the drone program. i'm saying at least at the very least put very stringent legal requirements so our executive branch is not acting outside of the law. by the way there is another word for that. it's called illegal. so they're not acting illegally in killing u.s. citi
certain people without knowing exactly who they were, but we thought that is a signature of a known al-qaeda leader. then it morphed into unknown people and unknown possible militants there are guns down there. that's why we so often hit weddings because people in afghanistan and yemen bring guns to weddings and shoot them in celebration. then they say there is militant activity there they hit the wedding and many die. that is thoughtful, immoral and ridiculous. i'm not against all drone...
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you were warned that al-qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make about the reference to al-qaeda, those that were deleted? >> well, if these talking points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them. and nobody ever really took final responsibility for clearing them. it is a sort of typical bureaucracy fumble. the important thing, what we're talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what has been lost in this. what you say, prior to this event it was clear the terrorists were gaining a foothold in eastern libya. and why wasn't more done to give them the protection that they needed at the benghazi compound? this substance was lost, in the debate on the talking points, and that is the important issue to me. >> thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you. >>> rebel fighters in syria claiming a major victory. they say they have shot down three regime military aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig fighter jet. if it is true, the military may be taking hits f
you were warned that al-qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make about the reference to al-qaeda, those that were deleted? >> well, if these talking points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them. and nobody ever really took final responsibility for clearing them. it is a sort of typical bureaucracy fumble. the important thing, what we're talking about, while we continue to talk about the talking points, what has been lost in...
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qaeda attack when there is they remove the evidence this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the ministration she's the fourth person is so disconnected to reality i don't trust her in contradiction to what ambassador susan rice said on every sunday show when she first went on on this incident that this was a course not a spontaneous reaction to a video those comments were deeply troubling and that's why we wrote the letter and i have to tell you with the comments she made on the sunday shows that was either incompetence or blatantly misleading the american people to catch any specifics any actual questions and a discussion of issues so much just like the original three amigos never uttered a peep when colin powell or condi rice or george w. bush or dick cheney were lying to congress the american people about weapons of mass destruction in iraq give a damn about the truth it's all politics for this bunch and hopefully the obama administration has now realized that the new three amigos just like the old three amigos is
qaeda attack when there is they remove the evidence this is about the role she played around four dead americans when it seems to be that the story coming out of the ministration she's the fourth person is so disconnected to reality i don't trust her in contradiction to what ambassador susan rice said on every sunday show when she first went on on this incident that this was a course not a spontaneous reaction to a video those comments were deeply troubling and that's why we wrote the letter...
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al qaeda. this is about one hour and 15 minutes. >> good evening. thank you for coming. it is an honor to be introducing my boss. he is one of the most respected and experienced hands in washington. his reputation is legendary. he's chairman of the house budget committee when the actually passed a budget. his chief of staff to president clinton in the white house. now secretary of defense. what in the world are you going to do next? this is not action do justice to the man. leon panetta is a wonderful human being and in some ways a man of contrasts. i am going to give you examples. he is known among his counterparts around the world for his warm italian bear hugs. he is also known for the laser light focus he displayed on hunting down osama bin laden. he often holds meetings in his pentagon office with his dog curled up around his feet as he is pressing a commander on how a war plan is going to advance or how they are going to make more progress. when traveling, who he is known to hang out in t
al qaeda. this is about one hour and 15 minutes. >> good evening. thank you for coming. it is an honor to be introducing my boss. he is one of the most respected and experienced hands in washington. his reputation is legendary. he's chairman of the house budget committee when the actually passed a budget. his chief of staff to president clinton in the white house. now secretary of defense. what in the world are you going to do next? this is not action do justice to the man. leon panetta...
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qaeda. what senator ayotte and other senators have said is that was misleading because she knew in a classified way that al qaeda might have been behind it. so that is what one -- two of the reasons why at least senator ayotte said that she is troubled. and she said that she is still not ready to say that she will vote for her. not only that, but she's still -- she still has a threat to block her nomination if susan rice is nominated. >> and is that the end of it, or are there future meetings? is there going to be more consultation, or is that that? >> reporter: no, that is not that. that is the beginning of this for sure. we understand that the ambassador is likely to be back later today for more meetings. ted barrett heard from the republican from tennessee that he has a meeting with susan rice tomorrow. again, just like today's meeting. that was at the request of susan rice. she is definitely making the rounds. she's trying to explain herself. but at least with these three republican sena
qaeda. what senator ayotte and other senators have said is that was misleading because she knew in a classified way that al qaeda might have been behind it. so that is what one -- two of the reasons why at least senator ayotte said that she is troubled. and she said that she is still not ready to say that she will vote for her. not only that, but she's still -- she still has a threat to block her nomination if susan rice is nominated. >> and is that the end of it, or are there future...
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you were warning al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make of the reason why those direct references to al qaeda were deleted? >> you know, it's not -- oftentimes, wolf, these talksing points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them and nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them, sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble. the more frustrating thing, what we're not talking about. we continue to talk about the talking point, what's been lost is what you say. prior to the events it was clear terrorists were gaining a foothold in eastern libya, where wasn't more done to prevent the attack, give them the security they needed? the substance is sort of lost and the debate about the talking points and that's the far more important issue to me. >> fran, raul, thanks very much for joining me. >> thanks very much. >> pleasure. >>> rebel fighters in syria claiming a major victory. they say they have shot down three regime military aircraft in the past 24 hours, including a mig
you were warning al qaeda was gaining a foothold in libya. what do you make of the reason why those direct references to al qaeda were deleted? >> you know, it's not -- oftentimes, wolf, these talksing points went to multiple agencies, probably a dozen agencies and dozens of people touched them and nobody ever took final responsibility for the clearing of them, sort of a typical bureaucratic fumble. the more frustrating thing, what we're not talking about. we continue to talk about the...
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because they didn't want al qaeda to know that we knew what we knew. this is classic investigative philosophy. don't let the suspects know you suspect them. it's clear to me there was no mendacity by susan rice, no incompetence, there was no cover-up by the white house. to continue to argue there was any of that is now tin foil hat stuff. there is also now no will to filibuster to block rice. this is perhaps why john mccain has softened his tone. >> but you're saying that she could conceivably get your vote for secretary of state? >> i think she deserves the ability and the opportunity to explain herself and her position just as she said, but she's not the problem. the problem is the president of the united states. >> that's an end, i hope, to the vicious and baseless character attack that has made rice the center of a witch hunt by the right even though she has done nothing to disqualify herself. mccain tried to make her unnominatable but made it so obama will look weak if he doesn't nominate her. he asserted an inappropriate political cover-up. he al
because they didn't want al qaeda to know that we knew what we knew. this is classic investigative philosophy. don't let the suspects know you suspect them. it's clear to me there was no mendacity by susan rice, no incompetence, there was no cover-up by the white house. to continue to argue there was any of that is now tin foil hat stuff. there is also now no will to filibuster to block rice. this is perhaps why john mccain has softened his tone. >> but you're saying that she could...
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qaeda and whether or not she said that knowing the classified information, which suggested that al qaeda might have been behind or at least an affiliate of al qaeda might have been behind this attack in benghazi. >> it will be an interesting morning on the hill. >> this is ridiculous. first of all, she wasn't secretary of state. you have critics who don't want to mention secretary of state clinton, didn't want to mention petraeus when it came to the cia. and they want to zero in on somebody who frankly was sent out on television who was not even over the ambassador. >> are we seeing here, basically, the end game on this? will this resolve these issues? do we think that basically we're going to expect to see her nomination of secretary of state in the next few days? >> seems to be heading in that direction. there's a larger context here. republicans lost 80% of the vote of a rapidly diversifying country, nonwhite population. do you want two older white senators filibuster eefilibuste second african-american woman as secretary of state? >> i'm the president. i'm putting forth who i want. i
qaeda and whether or not she said that knowing the classified information, which suggested that al qaeda might have been behind or at least an affiliate of al qaeda might have been behind this attack in benghazi. >> it will be an interesting morning on the hill. >> this is ridiculous. first of all, she wasn't secretary of state. you have critics who don't want to mention secretary of state clinton, didn't want to mention petraeus when it came to the cia. and they want to zero in on...
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they pulled al-qaeda out of the talking points and pulled the protest out of the talking points and she still went with it. she still went with it and told the american people everything she was told to say. >> bob: learn how the process works. c.i.a. is one of a number of intelligence agencies that put talk points. they didn't have the agre agreement. she got factual in their view, intelligence community view of what happened. she gave it to the sunday talk show. she made a mistake and said she made a mistak miswhat more u ask for? do you think he is went up and there purposefully lied? >> brian: shouldn't you do your research? >> andrea: yes. she knew there were conflicting accounts. why push anyone from the administration out to say anything at all. she should have done her research. maybe she is not a liar. maybe she is incatch tent. one thing that the senator trying to block you. it was great what mccain did. getting the heat. and republicans were being sexist. and let me give her a fair shake. john bolton was up for administration. they pulled the same stunt. >> dana: i think she
they pulled al-qaeda out of the talking points and pulled the protest out of the talking points and she still went with it. she still went with it and told the american people everything she was told to say. >> bob: learn how the process works. c.i.a. is one of a number of intelligence agencies that put talk points. they didn't have the agre agreement. she got factual in their view, intelligence community view of what happened. she gave it to the sunday talk show. she made a mistake and...
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so it wasn't only collecting intelligence against al-qaeda and the enemy, but also about erstwhile allies and really mapping the human terrain. >> along that path there had been the hunt for osama bin laden and the first idea for drones came in, and then armed drones. tell us a little about that and why you and your team pushed for that. it was really a product of great frustration, because we had these human sources, these networks in afghanistan reporting on bin laden, on his whereabouts, and we in turn were passing this on to the policymakers in the white house and the department of defense, but we could not get the authorities or the resources to go and engage with lethal force against bin laden. this was pre-9/11. >> uh-huh. >> and they said we needed greater verification. so we looked at all types of technical solutions. we looked at balloons, long-range optics and finally decided on the drone, the predator drone. and can then we, sure enough, driven by our human sources on the ground we found bin laden, very clear video. we knew exactly where he was, farm near kandahar, and then we
so it wasn't only collecting intelligence against al-qaeda and the enemy, but also about erstwhile allies and really mapping the human terrain. >> along that path there had been the hunt for osama bin laden and the first idea for drones came in, and then armed drones. tell us a little about that and why you and your team pushed for that. it was really a product of great frustration, because we had these human sources, these networks in afghanistan reporting on bin laden, on his...
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megyn: they say we weren't entirely sure that it was al qaeda. and there was no reason to throw that name out there that early in the ballgame, and we were still investigating and may have had security reasons for not revealing all we knew. >> there were no issues in terms of revealing intelligence sources or methods by talking about an al qaeda affiliated group. it wasn't in fact a spontaneous reaction. they didn't know that with certainty, and that's what ambassador rice led the american people to believe. when they realized the that wasn't a fact. that's where the misleading occurs. you have to ask yourself why. president obama is running for reelection. he didn't want to bust the narrative he had al qaeda on the run. megyn: this is a bipartisan investigation in the senate. democrats including some top democrats have joined in the demands for more information on how this all happened and how we wound up where we are now. what are you hearing now from democrats about where we stand in this investigation. >> they certainly -- i believe they agre
megyn: they say we weren't entirely sure that it was al qaeda. and there was no reason to throw that name out there that early in the ballgame, and we were still investigating and may have had security reasons for not revealing all we knew. >> there were no issues in terms of revealing intelligence sources or methods by talking about an al qaeda affiliated group. it wasn't in fact a spontaneous reaction. they didn't know that with certainty, and that's what ambassador rice led the...
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the references to al-qaeda. >> even when you testify in closed session, it's viewed at least by most parties involved as under oath. >> clapper's role is potential live subsumed by the role as a white house staffer. i think that is something that we need a lot more testimony about. especially given that he is flatly contradicted what he told congress. >> even before the controversial reversal of the talking points, conference in early october, they insist the attack came without warning and bristleed at the criticism of his office of information and regulatory affairs known as dni. >> i am reading the media clips about the hapless, incompetent dni because i acknowledge that we didn't instantly have a certitude about an event. >> clapper is providing statement to congress about a talking point. they are working to answer the questions. this is the second time that clapper has fallen on the sword for the administration. at the end of september, they said the assessment linking benghazi to anti-islam film was wrong. tomorrow, senator mccain is expected to meet with ambassador susan rice
the references to al-qaeda. >> even when you testify in closed session, it's viewed at least by most parties involved as under oath. >> clapper's role is potential live subsumed by the role as a white house staffer. i think that is something that we need a lot more testimony about. especially given that he is flatly contradicted what he told congress. >> even before the controversial reversal of the talking points, conference in early october, they insist the attack came...
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. >> we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind the attack in benghazi. i don't think it would be that difficult for her to give a discussion of what transpired in benghazi. >> you dealt with the talking points when you served at the white house. normally before sunday's show the communicators and those that drafted the talking points will prepare the individuals especially when they are going to do multiple shows. we don't know whether that happened here. if it didn't, you learn how to make a more nuanced argument. but you don't speak. frankly, this was poorly handled. and she went out there making it sound crystal clear and she was poorly served and she didn't use the talking point that she had given. >> you went to libya before the terrorist attack and you were warning that al qaeda was gaining a foot hold in labibya. what do you think as to why those references were deleted. wolf, these talking points went to a dozen agencies and nobody took responsibility for the clearing of them. it is a beurocraaurocratic fumb the fact that
. >> we may have had an organized terrorist group that may have been affiliated with al qaeda behind the attack in benghazi. i don't think it would be that difficult for her to give a discussion of what transpired in benghazi. >> you dealt with the talking points when you served at the white house. normally before sunday's show the communicators and those that drafted the talking points will prepare the individuals especially when they are going to do multiple shows. we don't know...
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they claim links to al qaeda were left out for political purposes. but on tuesday, their conspiracy theory was blown out of the water. the spokeswoman for the director of national intelligence told cnn the white house wasn't involved in removing the information on al qaeda. he said the intelligence community made the changes. in responding to this report, mccain admitted that he was wrong, but still took a shot at the white house. he said intelligence officials, quote, told us they did not know who made the changes. now we have to read the answers to our questions in the media. this latest episode is another reason why many of us are so suspicious of actions of this administration when it comes to the benghazi attack. meanwhile, his sidekick, lindsey graham, is going into full attack mode. senator graham wrote a letter to president obama on tuesday, saying that he's concerned. many questions remain unanswered on the benghazi attacks. he says the president has a duty to the american people to answer the basic questions surrounding the benghazi attack.
they claim links to al qaeda were left out for political purposes. but on tuesday, their conspiracy theory was blown out of the water. the spokeswoman for the director of national intelligence told cnn the white house wasn't involved in removing the information on al qaeda. he said the intelligence community made the changes. in responding to this report, mccain admitted that he was wrong, but still took a shot at the white house. he said intelligence officials, quote, told us they did not know...
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has been a skeptic of what we could succeed through military strength in a region where the tal band al-qaeda -- the taliban seems enmeshed and woven into the fabric of society. what have we accomplished? >> the book traces this one outpost from 2006 until 2009 when overrun by the taliban. in 2007-2008, that's a part of the narrative when there actually is very tangible achievement and the u.s. and the afghan government is willing to win over the local populous and get them to start casting out the terrorists in the villages and hamlets and this one lieutenant, alex newsom who was in afghanistan early this year doing special operations missions, says that when he went back to this area, the people there all remembered him. they were still anti-taliban. they were still willing to fight. he was very encouraged. as i said, he's in the minority there. but it wasn't as if all of these individuals, all of a sudden became taliban. mainly they don't want anyone bothering them. >> eliot: that's the question. no doubt. our presence there can have that affirmative effect. was it possible -- is it possib
has been a skeptic of what we could succeed through military strength in a region where the tal band al-qaeda -- the taliban seems enmeshed and woven into the fabric of society. what have we accomplished? >> the book traces this one outpost from 2006 until 2009 when overrun by the taliban. in 2007-2008, that's a part of the narrative when there actually is very tangible achievement and the u.s. and the afghan government is willing to win over the local populous and get them to start...
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, we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world, and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> a lot of this i think it's fair to say doesn't make seine answer to a lot of people. how do you predict that this ends, do you think that republicans will stand in her way and she won't get the job? go with respect to senator ayotte, what the intelligence community was trying to protect was its sources. people whose lives were on the line. and they were making a careful judgment about what they can say publicly that might endanger their sources of information. in terms of the future of ambassador rice i don't know what the president's plans are. she's done an extraordinary good job as ambassador to the united nations. >> the assistant majority leader of the not dick durbin joining us this morning. nice to see you this morning. >> thank you, soledad. >> still ahead on "starting point," bad news for a nation obsessed with bacon. god, bad news. christin
, we're tipping al qaeda off? i think that al qaeda knows that we certainly have pursued them around the world, and so i just -- this doesn't make any sense to me. >> a lot of this i think it's fair to say doesn't make seine answer to a lot of people. how do you predict that this ends, do you think that republicans will stand in her way and she won't get the job? go with respect to senator ayotte, what the intelligence community was trying to protect was its sources. people whose lives...
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ambassador rice, because it's certainly clear from the beginning that they knew that those with ties to al-qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> i specifically asked her whether at any point prior to going on those sunday morning television shows she was briefed or urged to say certain things by anybody in the white house related to the campaign or political operations. she said no. she was not given messaging points at all by the white house prior to her appearance on those sunday morning shows. >> it's clear the information she gave the american people was incorrect when she said that it was a spontaneous demonstration triggered by a hateful video. it was not. and there was compelling evidence at the time that that was certainly not the case. >> i'm more concerned now than i was before that the 16 september explanation about how four americans died in benghazi, libya, by ambassador rice i think does not do justice to the reality at the time, and in hindsight clearly was completely wrong. >> there are no unanswered questions about ambassador rice's appearance on sunday shows. the
ambassador rice, because it's certainly clear from the beginning that they knew that those with ties to al-qaeda were involved in the attack on the embassy. >> i specifically asked her whether at any point prior to going on those sunday morning television shows she was briefed or urged to say certain things by anybody in the white house related to the campaign or political operations. she said no. she was not given messaging points at all by the white house prior to her appearance on...
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she reinforced the message that bin laden was dead, al-qaeda's been dismantled. and i would suggest that the intelligence surrounding the benghazi consulate attack was very rich with evidence that al-qaeda was involved and they had not been dismantled, and that's why we're pushing and we're going to keep pushing. we need to know how the system failed, how these four brave americans got killed, and we're going to get to the bottom of this. gregg: right. but, senator, the other day you said you don't trust susan rice, and you also said she doesn't have a good resumÉ to be secretary of state. does that mean that you will oppose her if she's nominated? >> we will cross that bridge when we get there. i don't trust the scenario that she laid out based on what i know about the intelligence. and it's just not her. gregg: yeah. >> the president repeated that storyline that this was a mob riot caused by a video seven or eight days after her. and the question, were they telling us the best intelligence we had about benghazi, or were they shading the story to give the best
she reinforced the message that bin laden was dead, al-qaeda's been dismantled. and i would suggest that the intelligence surrounding the benghazi consulate attack was very rich with evidence that al-qaeda was involved and they had not been dismantled, and that's why we're pushing and we're going to keep pushing. we need to know how the system failed, how these four brave americans got killed, and we're going to get to the bottom of this. gregg: right. but, senator, the other day you said you...
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was al qaeda's poor leadership has been decimated but gop senators say it is proof rice was putting pre-election spin before national security. >> it was unjustified to give the scenario as presented by ambassador rice and president obama three weeks before an election. >> reporter: ambassador rice, what do you say to republicans who say your comments were politically motivated? rice didn't answer our question but admitted her talking points were, quo, incorrect in a key respect. there was no protest or demonstration in benghazi. while we certainly wish that we had had perfect information just days after the terrorist attack, as is often the case, the intelligence assessment has evolved. we stressed that neither i nor anyone else in the administration intended to mislead the american people at any stage in this process. and the white house had this to say. >> the focus on some might say obsession on comments made on sunday shows seems, to me, and to many, to be misplaced. >> reporter: gop senators also complain rice neglected to ask key questions before telling the public what turne
was al qaeda's poor leadership has been decimated but gop senators say it is proof rice was putting pre-election spin before national security. >> it was unjustified to give the scenario as presented by ambassador rice and president obama three weeks before an election. >> reporter: ambassador rice, what do you say to republicans who say your comments were politically motivated? rice didn't answer our question but admitted her talking points were, quo, incorrect in a key respect....